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No Sleep Until Clear!

by Nick Rycar on April 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm › permalink

** This post is kind of long and rambly, so if you’re looking for me to cut to the chase, click here. **

I had a conversation with a friend the other day about beating video games in which I divulged that I can pretty much count the RPGs that I’ve played to completion on my fingers (on one hand, depending on your definition). He was, of course, appalled by this revelation, and when pressed for a reason, I came back with what tends to be my problem with games in general.

The thing is, I have some real OCD behaviors when it comes to gaming. It’s not that I need to min/max my stats for ideal efficiency or that I need 100% completion before I’ll consider a game done. Rather, my compulsion is that I need to feel like I own 100% of whatever accomplishments I achieve. This makes sharing a controller difficult, because even if someone else plays through 30 seconds of a Mario game while I’m taking a piss, when the controller finds its way back into my hands, it feels like my playthrough has been tainted somehow. Odd, but true.

This tendency gets exacerbated when RPGs enter into the mix, because as I’ve gotten older, I’ve lost the ability to play games for more than a couple of hours at a time unless I’m really into it, and as this can stretch a 40+ hour game into multi-month territory, I almost always find myself playing something else at some point. This would be all well and good, but once I return to an RPG after a significant enough amount of time has passed, I invariably feel lost. I don’t remember what I was doing or what plans I had made for my equipment, skills, et cetera. Even when I turn to an FAQ or walkthrough for a refresher, I still feel like I’ve picked up somebody else’s save and am taking control from where they left off. This of course leaves me at an impasse and I end up starting games over from the beginning countless times — see previous paragraph.

I’ve started to slowly ease myself out of this mode of thought, but it’s still a work in progress. I was able to play Pokemon Platinum and Dragon Age: Origins to completion, both of which I’d put down for a while somewhere in the middle. As it stands, however, the list I was able to come up with when pressed in that conversation was:

  • Chrono Trigger
  • Final Fantasy III/VI (SNES)
  • Final Fantasy IV DS
  • Final Fantasy X
  • Kingdom Hearts
  • Pokemon Leaf Green & Diamond
  • Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga

Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I’ve beaten a couple of 2D Zeldas (LttP and LA, if you’re wondering), but nothing else springs immediately to mind.

Now, I love RPGs — they’re probably my favorite genre — so I want to broaden my horizons somewhat. I came up with the idea the other day that I’d ask the same friend for a list of 10 RPGs to kind of serve as a cleansing of the palette, and I’d see if I couldn’t use that as a jumping off point. Here’s what I got back:

In no particular order:

Final Fantasy V (SFC). Do not play the buggy and slow PS1 version. Do not play the GBA remake with the screwy extra job classes. Get the original. I waded my way through this with a faq and rudimentary kana ability – the story is a throwaway anyway! – and had a blast.

Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne (PS2). It’s not the hardest RPG ever created – well, unless you go for the best ending anyway – but it will try your patience in ways Persona games never will.

Dragon Quest VIII (PS2). I was initially going to put DQV here – I’ve played about a third of it on the SFC and love it to death – but I haven’t played the DS version yet. DQVIII gets the nod for having probably the best localization I’ve ever seen blended in with comfortable DQ gameplay. Shame about the new menus, though.

Final Fantasy III (FC). The prototype for Final Fantasy V, and easily the best of the FC games. I’ve played this to completion on actual hardware, and it was the most soul-crushing gaming experience of my life (the last dungeon, with no save points, takes well over an hour to get through – and that’s if you know where you’re going). Naturally, you should use an emulator if you value your sanity.

The Bard’s Tale III – Thief of Fate (PC, Apple //, C64, etc.) Not the first first-person dungeon crawl I’ve played, but one of the best. Also, automapping.

Demon’s Souls (PS3) – It’s an action game. No, it’s a RPG. No, it’s a dungeon crawler. Whatever. I was on the edge of my seat for fifty hours with this game. It’s frustrating as hell, but every little bit of progress is so, so satisfying.

Front Mission 3 (PS1) – it’s like Armored Core and Final Fantasy Tactics had a baby, but without the shitty controls and nonsense localization.

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Originally Posted by nick
but…but… that’s only seven! your counting skills need work!

Well, yeah. I could have stretched it out to ten, or even twenty, but I would at that point have to start getting into games that I liked, but I don’t necessarily think someone else should play.

I guess if I did have to make an honorable mentions list, it would go something like this!

-Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga (1 and 2, although I haven’t finished the latter)
-RoboTrek
-Faxanadu (not really an RPG!)
-Fallout 3
-Wasteland

This is a great jumping off point, but he was quick to remind me that his own scope is fairly limited and recommended I open the forum to a larger group, which is what I aim to do now. Here’s what I’d like y’all to do for me, if you can spare a moment:

Recommend an RPG to me. It can be from any system or console generation, and I’ll sort out the details of how to play it, if in fact I choose to do so. I’d like you also to include a brief description of why you feel that this particular game is worthy of recommendation (feel free to recommend multiple titles). Japanese-only titles are more than welcome (I’m rusty, but I shouldn’t have any problem with ‘em), and if there’s a particular version you think needs to be played, I’m all ears. I tend to favor story over mechanics, but the right unique quirk can absorb me for quite some time.

Once I take a look through the list, I’m going to try and pick a few that interest me the most, and attempt to play them from start to finish. While I’m doing so, I’ll try and chronicle my progress in an amusing fashion of some sort (I haven’t really given it much thought, but I’m thinking more thorough than a brief summary, but not quite as OCD as a Let’s Play). Until that point, I leave myself in your capable hands, internet. Do me proud.

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  • Gene

    OK I’ll bite.

    And you said you didn’t care about platform, so I went broad — and in no particular order.

    Baldur’s Gate I and II
    Planescape: Torment (really great story)
    Fallout 1, 2 and 3
    Neverwinter Nights
    Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind and 4: Oblivion
    Dragon Age: Origins
    Mass Effect 1 and 2

    And a few that are not true RPGs but have some RPG elements:
    Bioshock
    Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
    ICO and Shadow of the Colossus

    You’ll note a lack of JRPGs here. I find that they have incoherent stories and most use a very small number of generic character archetypes. They also give virtually no option to the player to choose how to play, what kind of character to be, what kind of ending to aim for, etc… They are also notoriously long, full of grind-it-out, repetitive random encounters. So boring. Oh, and don’t believe the Demon Souls hype.

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    These are not off the table! Recommend away!

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Those are NOT off the table, Greg. Recommend away!

  • Phil Wesson

    Good catch! Yes, there are three skies of arcadia characters in it, but they’re bonus, so if you didn’t play SoA, you aren’t missing anything in VC. However, I would play SoA on its own, as it’s a great game.

    VC does a great job making you attached to the characters, as each one of them has their own individual stories, and each one of them can die at any time.

  • tsykoduk

    Meh. computer RPG's are too much work. I prefer point and click interfaces.

  • Phil Wesson

    Valkryia Chronicles for PS3 is a tactical RPG. Beautiful artwork, engaging story, very original battle scheme. You won't be disappointed.

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Hrm… that's the one with Arcadia characters in it, no? I actually do own SoA for dreamcast but have never touched it — would you recommend I start there?

  • Mike

    Try the Fire Emblem series. Theres 11, so I'm sure you'll find one that you like. It's a turn-based strategy RPG, really deep characters and story. You can go original on the SNES, or semi-recent on the GBA, or most recent on the Wii. I don't know what you have access too, but you can emulate all of them except the Wii ones. Its a really great franchise, you should definatly check it.

  • http://dimortuisunt.wordpress.com Jonathon Howard (falselogic)

    Planescape Torment, I second Wasteland too, I might even play it with you! Knights of the Old Republic, Fallout, Mass Effect. Deus Ex and System Shock 2.

    I can go on and on and on, really I can. But these are all good.

  • danowar

    Ultima IV – Quest of the Avatar…and don't play this on console. Play it on C64, Apple 2 or another home computer.

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    EDIT: Arg! I keep replying to the wrong comments! You’d think I could figure out my own blog’s comment system!

    EDIT2: Okay, I guess I was replying to the right comment, and Discus chose to display it out of whack to confuse me. Sorry for the spam, Gene!

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Sombody’s a fan of Bioware and Bethesda! (certainly nothing wrong with that!)

    I actually own Oblivion and plan on completing it — I’ve restarted that game SO many times due to class indecision. Now that I have a working 360 again, I should get my copy back from the friend I lent it to.

    Also, if I may counter-recommend, you may actually enjoy Persona 3 and 4 on the PS2. They’re certainly long, and a little bit grindy, but they have fantastic stories. Also, the very Japanese settings will really hit home, I think (they did for me, at least).

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Sombody’s a fan of Bioware and Bethesda! (certainly nothing wrong with that!)

    I actually own Oblivion and plan on completing it — I’ve restarted that game SO many times due to class indecision. Now that I have a working 360 again, I should get my copy back from the friend I lent it to.

    Also, if I may counter-recommend, you may actually enjoy Persona 3 and 4 on the PS2. They’re certainly long, and a little bit grindy, but they have fantastic stories. Also, the very Japanese settings will really hit home, I think (they did for me, at least).

  • Steph

    I’m the same way. If I watch someone else playing the same game I am, and they beat it, I cannot play it. For example, I was playing Super Paper Mario and so was Pat. He beat it and I haven’t touched it since. I saw too much of the story line to need to enjoy it myself.

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    I do get the occasional jones for a good SRPG, and while I’m usually less inclined to finish them, I do enjoy the hell out of them. The FE series in particular seems neat just because permadeath is such a big factor.

    btw… are you Mr. Met Mike? If so, long time, buddy!

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Hrm… I dug the concept of NWN, if not the execution, and I always meant to go back to some of the 2E D&D games… it sounds like Planescape is a good place to start, and then possibly graduate back in time to Baulder's.

    Wasteland definitely intrigues me. I played Fallout3 first on a rental (still want to get back to it) and loved it, and then tried me some Fallout1, and loved it as well. Perhaps I should go back to the roots for that 'un. When you say play with me — is it multiplayer? Or do you just mean play alongside?

  • Gene

    Yeah, Bioware, Bethesda, and the old Black Isle Studios are my favorite RPG-makers. I think RPGS need an open world, with lots of choices and freedom to make your own way. Having come from a pen-and-paper RPG background, I find these features necessary. Most JRPGs are too much on rails for me.

    I haven’t played the Persona series (that’s the one about a high school psychic club, yeah?)

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Kinda sorta. It’s an offshoot of the Shin Megami Tensei games, which all involve the occult and demons in some way shape or form. The persona games specifically (at least the last two) do focus around high school kids dealing with an impending crisis and unravelling murder mysteries respectively.

    They are very linear, but what they get right (and what most JRPGs lack) is a fantastic narrative. It’s part interactive fiction, and part dungeon crawler. Customization comes into play by means of:
    * Managing school and social interactions by day
    and
    * Collecting and fusing demons to summon, and taking advantage of their respective strengths/weaknesses by night.

    An acquired taste, perhaps, but a whole lot of payoff in my humble opinion.

  • LauraB

    I have a spot in my heart for FFVIII on a PC with Chocobo World constantly running in the background, so you can negate the crappy Draw Magic system with the hacky-import-export Chocobo trick. I love the music, characters, and plot so much that I've played the game through 2x and am considering a third time. Stockholm Syndrome Disclaimer: It's also the first RPG I ever played, though I put it aside for about a year before finishing it.

    Most of the games I <3 and continually go back to aren't RPGs, I suppose – e.g. Bioshock+2, Zelda Wind Waker, Halo, Jet Grind Radio. And many traditional RPGs I haven't played to the end (FFVII and XII for example).

  • http://twoplayercoop.com Rycar

    Ssssh — don't let Luana hear you dissin' the draw system — them's fighting words. :-)

  • Justin

    If you've played Fallout 1 and 3, you really owe it to yourself to play Fallout 2. It's available through GoG for $6 and is on GameTap if you're into that sort of thing. Fallout 2 is up there with Chrono Trigger and KOTOR as one of those games I replay every couple years.

    Fire Emblem was one of my favorites for the GC, but I can't really call that an RPG. It's surprising and cool how any member of your party can permanently die at any point in the story, but it's really just a series of fights.

    Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games I've played in a while, with a tighter story than ME1.

    Skies of Arcadia and Tales of Vesperia are good JRPGs you may not have played, but they are definitely not games you can leave and come back to.

  • http://dimortuisunt.wordpress.com Jonathon Howard

    Play alongside it isn’t multiplayer

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